You are listening to an episode of Ask the Experts on Talk 860 WWDB AM with host Steve O and weekly guest, LGBTQ legal expert Angela Giampolo.
This week’s Angela talks about the difficulties of divorce.
Topics include:
- What to do if you are served a divorce complaint
- What is the effect of “fault” in a divorce?
- How best to handle separation of assets
- Are retirement accounts safe from divorce?
- Who is responsible for paying attorney fees?
- What rights do grandparents have in a divorce?
- How to prepare for a separation or divorce
- What to do if there is abuse involved
TELL US ABOUT YOURSELF AND YOUR LAW FIRM.
I’m 4’10” and three quarters, I am super short and they always called me a pit bull in a Chihuahua’s body. This was long before I loved Chihuahuas, but it has something to do with why I started collecting Chihuahuas in my old age. I’ve always been a fighter for the underdog. Despite my height, I played basketball in college and overseas. That underdog mentality has the detention lady when I was twelve years old, actually, who told me I should become a lawyer and because I was fighting other people’s fights. I was only in detention because I was fighting other people’s fights, which was what that underdog mentality was. She hated having to stay until 4:00 p.m., and she told me I should become a lawyer so that one of us would get paid to stay in detention because she was not. But ever since I was a kid I’ve had this scrappy sort of underdog fight for others mentality.
And at first I thought it was going to be that I would work in and fight for international human rights. After law school, I was living in Beijing and working in human trafficking in Beijing, and from there I moved to Tanzania and I worked at the War Crimes Tribunal. I also worked for the International Criminal Tribunal for the Rwandan genocide that took place. And so I went from human trafficking to genocide, and there could be no bigger underdog fight than that. But I quickly realized that everybody that I worked for and with were shells of human beings, and that
if I did that the rest of my life, that it’s just hard to keep your humanity. So I stopped and I came back to Philadelphia, and I quickly realized the human rights issue in the United States that was near and dear to my heart that I was passionate about was LGBTQ rights. So I started the law firm in 2008, Giampolo Law Group, specifically as the law firm geared towards the LGBTQ community.
Philly Gay Lawyer is sort of the advocacy arm of me as a human that is fighting for those rights. The Giampolo Group was born in 2008 geared solely towards the LGBTQ community for all of our legal needs that have to do with being gay and that also has nothing to do with being gay. We slip and fall, we go bankrupt, we own properties, we form businesses, we get divorced. All those things happen to humans, whether they’re gay, straight, whatever. So the firm provides all of those legal services, but then we also do transgender name changes, employment discrimination, LGBTQ specific family law and estate planning, and really a safe place and safe haven for people to get their legal needs met.
WHAT SHOULD I DO IF I AM SERVED A DIVORCE COMPLAINT?
First and foremost, you will likely call your friend and freak out and maybe your therapist and cry. Those things are valid, and do that. But then once you’ve shaken it off, contact a lawyer. So many people do nothing. I get it, but you have to. You can’t stick your head in the sand. Whether it’s a default judgment against you, something will happen whether or not you will be a part of the process or not. So first and foremost, contact a lawyer in the state which you’re in, and also read it. You may have known it was coming. If you had no idea it was coming, that says something about how the process is going to unfold. It probably won’t be very amicable. But if you did know it was coming, then you probably know what’s in it. You probably know what the issues are that need to be dealt with. By contacting a lawyer immediately, you can begin strategizing. Contacting a lawyer and making an appointment, none of it will feel good, and you won’t want to do it, but it’ll be the best thing to do.
The divorce notice is emotional and financial uncertainty and difficulty, especially with children and then of course their own personal uncertainty of the death of the hopes and dreams of the future with this person. So there is a lot tied into that divorce complaint.
If you ignore the complaint, you get a default judgment against you, which, if there are economic binds and economic matters that need to be resolved, they will not be resolved in your favor. Whatever the worst possible scenario could be, if you had gotten a lawyer, then it would be something in between, right? So there’s being super amicable and deciding all those economic factors together. There’s getting two lawyers, and then there’s doing absolutely nothing and getting a default judgment. So amicable is the best of one scenario, and doing absolutely nothing in getting a default judgment is the opposite worst scenario.
WHAT IS THE EFFECT OF “FAULT” IN A DIVORCE?
We have faults here in Pennsylvania, but for all intents and purposes, no one really pays attention to it. Again, contact the lawyer. Don’t Google your options or your rights in advance. I can’t opine for other states where they take fault maybe more seriously. But in Pennsylvania, at least as it relates to adultery, there’s no one that’s going to find fault that you won’t have to pay equitable distribution. Basically, it’s irreconcilable differences, and let’s just figure out the equitable distribution, not worry about fault. At the end of the day, usually just having plaintiff after your name make somebody feel better, and defendant it after the other.
HOW BEST SHOULD WE HANDLE SEPARATION OF ASSETS?
If it is an amicable divorce, you can use one or two lawyers. Ethically, legally, I can only represent one person, and I represent that person. But if it’s amicable, the other person doesn’t necessarily have to be represented by counsel, but they can get the property settlement agreement that they put together reviewed by an attorney. So at least in Pennsylvania, putting together the property settlement agreement is the most important in an amicable divorce. For example, if you jointly own a home, there are all these questions of who stays, who leads, who gets it, who refinances it in their name. What if they can’t refinance it? How long do they have to refinance it? All of these things would get dealt with by a judge if the divorce is not amicable. But if you’re going to be amicable, you can decide together. And without fail, when I’m working through a property settlement agreement, they’re like, oh, I never thought about that. Never thought about this, right? Who leaves, who goes? A length of time in which to refinance, being how to divide up the accounts in such a way to not have to touch retirement accounts.
ARE RETIREMENT ACCOUNTS SAFE FROM DIVORCE?
There’s websites out there. There’s wealth management companies. I have websites that calculate the value associated with if you touch a retirement account in order to pay equitable distribution. So $50,000 to my ex or whatever, and they put this in a calculator, and if you’re 41 and you hit your retirement account for $50,000, then what? That $50,000 would be worth when you retire at 70, and that $50,000 is easily $312,000, something like that. Ridiculous, right? So look at those financial calculators and decide up how you’re whacking up what you have. And do you have to necessarily touch retirement accounts, or is there another way to divide the equitable distribution between your assets?
WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING ATTORNEY FEES?
Again, that can be decided upon in the property settlement agreement. For example, if one person is a stay at home parent and doesn’t work and what have you, that can be built into property settlement agreement. As far as you’ll have to put it on a credit card, you can ask family at the outset to retain an attorney to begin working with you, and then ultimately how that person is paid moving forward, you can figure out with the parties. But even when I’ve gone to court for contempt matter, I haven’t had attorneys fees granted by a court. So the parties can decide one way or another, but the court doesn’t grant attorney fees in the traditional way that they would if we were suing for a civil injury or some other type of lawsuit matter.
WHAT RIGHTS DO GRANDPARENTS HAVE IN A DIVORCE?
Obviously parents’ visitation rights and parents’ rights are built into the Constitution, but there’s no such constitutional right necessarily for grandparents. That is a state by state thing. And Pennsylvania in particular does have a grandparent visitation law and has withstood the test of time. There have been constitutional challenges to it, and it has withstood all them. So grandparent visitation rights do exist, but the nuclear family must be broken. So as a sort of condition precedent, especially from an LGBTQ perspective, when there are
homophobic grandparents who disagree with the family, two moms and two dads, let’s say then they have tried, but in that case, the fact that the grandparents disagrees with the makeup of the nuclear family doesn’t not entitle them to visitation. But if the nuclear family itself is broken, in other words, one of the parents is deceased, they’ve been separated for at least six months, or divorce, or the grandparent maybe raise the child for up to twelve months or more. There are a lot of times where grandparents will have taken in a child because maybe someone went to jail or rehab or whatever. If the grandparents have raised a child for more than three months, that puts them in standing for visitation rights. So yes, Pennsylvania is very strong on that.
HOW CAN I PREPARE FOR A SEPARATION OR DIVORCE?
Again, from an LGBTQ perspective, get clear on whether or not you’ve done all of the second parent adoptions, confirmation adoptions. From a parent perspective, that’s key. Also, getting divorced doesn’t happen in a vacuum. So from a parent perspective, having conversations with your ex prior to divorcing around a joint custody plan, around a parenting plan, just having dialogue in conversations around the future and the legalities, the legal documents that you’re going to have to put together, I think goes a long way. You don’t just wake up one day and say, I’m going to get divorced, there are thoughts that lead up into it. There’s so much that you can do to lay the groundwork, to make it amicable, to make it better, in which case it only goes to help the children more. As far as what you can do with your spouse in and of itself, dialogue to the extent that you can around making it amicable, getting a sense of what they feel like they want. Some people call it entitled to, but however you want to word it, whatever they want, whatever they feel they’re entitled to, and having honest conversations around that. You can do it before or after you go to see the lawyer. It really depends on your relationship. Again, if there’s physical abuse in any way, then everything I’m saying is out the window. I never ever say to a client, try to talk it out or try to be amicable if your physical safety is in danger. So just that little caveat.
WHAT CAN I DO IF THERE IS ABUSE INVOLVED?
There are a lot of family law lawyers who deal with domestic violence, and then there are criminal defense lawyers that would most likely be the human there defending your ex that you have gotten the protection from abuse order against because it would be deemed a crime on their part. I have a criminal attorney that I trust implicitly, and I refer all of that to him because I don’t do that. I think he’s great at it because he’s used to defending it. He’s used to being there with the abuser defending him or her. It makes him amazing in arguments protecting the person who was abused.
Episode Transcript
Speaker 1 (00:06)
Good morning, Philadelphia. There we go. Sometimes it helps if you take the mute off.
Speaker 2 (00:11)
I didn’t think the power was invented to mute you.
Speaker 1 (00:18)
This is the Ask the Expert the Show, where he’s here with you every Tuesday from ten to eleven with Philadelphia’s top experts in the area of legal, health, financial and home improvement. We’ve got some new shows coming up to you starting next month, but this is without a doubt our most popular show. We begin every week at 10:00 with attorney smiling attorney Angela Giampolo. Good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:49)
Good morning.
Speaker 1 (00:51)
She’s showing, you can’t see this. She’s showing the cutest little dog you’ve ever seen. I know, she can’t stand her dog. She’s never with her dog. We’re kidding you. She’s with them constantly. And first of all, good morning, Angela, you’re back home.
Speaker 2 (01:10)
I am in Philadelphia. Yes. With the clock. Also that you can’t see that is never the right time.
Speaker 1 (01:17)
And you know what? We haven’t talked about family law in a long time. So I’m excited about talking about family law because when it comes to the LGBTQ community, there is so much to know when it comes to family law. And let’s start off with Angela. We get letters every week saying I just found your show. I was going through the dial and I tuned in and I couldn’t tune you out. And that’s what we wanted. And I’ve even had several people say I have told my brother, I have told friends of mine about the show and that’s what this is all about. So I hate to do this to you, but we have so many new listeners every week. Tell everybody about yourself and your firm.
Speaker 2 (02:14)
Sure. And every time you ask me, I try to come at it from a different angle. For those who have listened before or a lot of people don’t realize if they never met me or even this is on the radio, but then I’m 4’10” and three quarters, I am super short and they always called me a pit bull in a Chihuahuas body. This was long before I loved Chihuahuas, but it has something to do with why I started collecting Chihuahuas in my old age. I’ve always been a fighter for the underdog. I played basketball despite my height, I played basketball in college and overseas despite being 4’10”. And so that underdog mentality has the detention lady when I was twelve years old, actually, who told me I should become a lawyer and because I was fighting other people’s fights. So I was only in detention because I was fighting other people’s fights, which was what that underdog mentality was. And she hated having to stay till 04:00 p.m.. And she told me I should become a lawyer so that one of us would get paid to stay in detention because she was not. But ever since I was a kid I’ve had this scrappy sort of underdog fight for others mentality.
Speaker 2 (03:40)
And at first I thought it was going to be that I would work in and fight for international human rights. And I had gotten to that point. After law school, I was living in Beijing and working in human trafficking in Beijing, and I had been published in Human Trafficking, and from there I moved to Tanzania and I worked at the War Crimes Tribunal, and I worked for the International Criminal Tribunal for the Rwandan genocide that took place. And so I went from human trafficking to genocide, and there could be no bigger underdog fight than that. But I quickly realized that everybody that I worked for and with were shelves of human beings, and that if I did that the rest of my life, that it’s just hard to keep your humanity. And so I stopped and I came back to Philadelphia, and I quickly realized that the human rights issue, there are many there are many people at the table or on the menu, rather not at the table, but the human rights issue in the United States that was near and dear to my heart that I was passionate about was LGBTQ rights. And so I started the law firm in 2008, Giampolo Law Group, specifically as the law firm geared towards the LGBTQ community.
Speaker 2 (05:06)
And then Philly Gay Lawyer is sort of the advocacy arm of me as a human that is fighting for those rights. And say, yes, the Giampolo Law Group was born in 2008 geared solely towards the LGBTQ community for all of our legal needs that have to do with being gay and that also has nothing to do with being gay. We slip fall, we go bankrupt, we own properties, we form businesses, we get divorced. All those things happen to humans, whether they’re gay, straight, whatever. So the firm provides all of those legal services, but then we also do transgender name changes, employment discrimination, LGBTQ specific family law and estate planning, and really a safe place and safe haven for people to get their legal needs met.
Speaker 1 (05:59)
Well, I got to tell you, you have done just an incredible job with your firm, and it seems like every show we’re always talking about someone new that you’ve helped, which is no longer a surprise anymore. So today we’re going to talk about divorce, which is another big area that you handle besides employment law and real estate law, business law. What should a person do if they’re served with a Pennsylvania divorce complaint?
Speaker 2 (06:33)
Yeah. Pennsylvania and New Jersey. Or if you just happen to be on my website and you live in Minnesota, if you’re served a divorce complaint, contact a lawyer, okay? First and foremost, you will likely call your friend and freak out and maybe your therapist and cry. Those things are valid, and do that. But then once you’ve shaken it off, contact a lawyer. So many people do nothing, okay? And if you’re listening and you’re sitting on one that you got back in April, how many times I get a call long after they actually received it, because the human reaction is to stick your head in the sand, is to not want to deal with something. And I get it, but you have to something will come of it. Like you can’t stick your head in the sand. Whether it’s a default judgment against you, something will happen, and it’s whether or not you will be a part of the process or not. So first and foremost, contact a lawyer in the state which you’re in, and also read it. You may have known it was coming. If you don’t if you had no idea it was coming, that says something about how the process is going to unfold.
Speaker 2 (07:55)
Probably won’t be very amicable. But if you did know who’s coming, then you probably know what’s in it. You probably know what the issues are that need to be dealt with. And by contacting a lawyer immediately, you can begin. Strategizing that’s what I call it. Like one of the first meetings is a strategy meeting. And so, yeah, contacting a lawyer and making an appointment, and none of it will feel good, and you won’t want to do it, but it’ll be the best thing to do.
Speaker 1 (08:25)
Angela you hear all the time people get notices from the IRS, and they don’t even open them up. They put it in that drawer, and I don’t know if they think it’s just going to go away. Why do people do the same thing when they get served with a divorce complaint?
Speaker 2 (08:47)
I mean, think about it. It signals the soon or eventual end of at one point, right? You got married, there was a wedding day. At some point, there was a whole relationship leading up towards a wedding day. It signals the end of a dream for the future, of a vision for the future of goals, thoughts in the future, and that signals the end of that. It could also signal, depending on the financial status of both people, it could signal financial difficulty ahead, that the other person is going to sue you and try to take your retirement accounts or the house, the kids, right? So when you put the IRS notice in the junk drawer and refuse to look at it, there’s a fear associated with the unknown. And in that case, it’s clearly a financial matter. The IRS notice, it’s easy to know that the only thing that represents is financial difficulty of some sort that they don’t want to go through. The divorce notice is emotional uncertainty and difficulty, financial uncertainty and difficulty both with the children, emotional and financial difficulties there, and then their own personal uncertainty of, again, the death of the hopes and dreams of the future with this person.
Speaker 2 (10:32)
So there is a lot tied into that divorce complaint that’s just like, you know what? Because chances are you’re fighting, maybe you dislike each other. So you see it in anger. You’re like, I don’t want to deal with that. But really, what’s going on is something much more complicated.
Speaker 1 (10:48)
What happens if you ignore, you’ll eventually.
Speaker 2 (10:52)
Get a default judgment against you, which, if there are economic ties that need to be unmeshed, if there are economic binds and economic matters that need to be resolved, they will not be resolved in your favor. Whatever the worst possible scenario could be, if you had gotten a lawyer, then it would be something in between, right? So there’s being super amicable and deciding all those economic factors together. There’s getting two lawyers, and then there’s doing absolutely nothing and getting a default judgment. So amicable is the best of one scenario, and doing absolutely nothing in getting a default judgment is the opposite worst scenario.
Speaker 1 (11:39)
So, Angela, I’m here in Florida, which is a no fault state, but in Pennsylvania, do you have to prove fault to get a divorce degree?
Speaker 2 (11:51)
Right. So we have faults in Pennsylvania, but for all intents and purposes, no one really pays attention to it. I don’t know how many people I hate Google for this reason. Again, contact the lawyer. Don’t Google your options or your rights in advance. But I don’t know how many times right off the bat, if I’m doing a consultation with someone and they’re like, my spouse cheated on me, so they’re not entitled to equitable distribution per Google because it’s their fault. Right. Like, I want to claim adultery. So due to the fact that there was adultery, they don’t get any equitable distribution. And there’s not a judge in the world that’s never happened, in my opinion, regardless of whether you’re in a false state or at least Pennsylvania. So I can’t opine for other states where they take fault maybe more seriously. But in Pennsylvania, at least as it relates to adultery, there’s no one that’s going to find fault that you won’t have to pay equitable distribution. Basically, it’s irreconcilable differences, and let’s just figure out the equitable distribution, not worry about fault. At the end of the day, usually just having plaintiff after your name make somebody feel better, right, and defend it after the other.
Speaker 2 (13:10)
So just sleep well at night knowing you’re the plaintiff, and call it a day.
Speaker 1 (13:18)
Angela there’s so many things to know when it comes down to the divorce, and sometimes I just don’t understand why people start off trying to take care of the situation themselves. When you got to have an attorney, I mean, you’ve got so much in your head, questions that need to be asked that they might not even think about.
Speaker 2 (13:43)
Yeah, when it’s amicable. And my clients are using me, so it’s amicable. And I’m still helping draft what’s called the property settlement agreement. So an amicable divorce is you use one or two lawyers. Ethically, legally, I can only represent one person, and I represent that person. But if it’s amicable, the other person doesn’t necessarily have to be represented by counsel but they can get the property settlement agreement that they put together reviewed by an attorney. So at least in Pennsylvania, putting together the property settlement agreement is the most important in an amicable divorce. So you jointly own a home. Who stays, who leads, who gets it, who refinances it in their name. What if they can’t refinance it? How long do they have to refinance it? All of these things would get dealt with by a judge. But if you’re going to be amicable, you can decide together. And without fail, when I’m working through a property settlement agreement, they’re like, oh, I never thought about that. Never thought about this, right? Who leaves, who goes? A length of time in which to refinance, being how to divide up the accounts in such a way to not have to touch retirement accounts.
Speaker 2 (15:08)
There’s websites out there. There’s wealth management companies. I have websites that calculate the value associated with if you touch a retirement account in order to pay equitable distribution. So $50,000 to my ex or whatever, and they put this in a calculator, and if you’re 41 and you hit your retirement account for $50,000, then what? That $50,000 would be worth when you retire at 70, and that $50,000 is easily $312,000, something like that. Ridiculous, right? So look at those financial calculators and decide up how you’re whacking up what you have. And do you have to necessarily touch retirement accounts, or is there another way to divide the equitable distribution between your assets?
Speaker 1 (16:02)
I just got a text, Angela, someone wanting to know who is responsible for paying the attorney fees. Is each party take care of their own fees, or is the other party responsible for paying both lawyers?
Speaker 2 (16:25)
So, again, that can be decided upon in the property settlement agreement. So if one person is a stay at home parent and doesn’t work and what have you, so that can be built into property settlement agreement, but as far you’ll have to put it on a credit card, ask family at the outset to retain an attorney to begin working with you, and then ultimately how that person is paid moving forward, you can figure out with the parties. But even when I’ve gone to court for contempt matter, I haven’t had attorneys fees granted by a court. So the parties can decide one way or another, but the court doesn’t grant attorney fees in the traditional way that they would if we were suing for a civil injury or some other type of lawsuit matter.
Speaker 1 (17:20)
I think before we go to break, Angela, I want to tell people and I’ve never said this to you before Angela works a lot with the LGBTQ community when it comes to law. But I got to tell you that if I was going through a divorce, I don’t care who you represent. I want you as my attorney. You are just amazing. You don’t have to be part of the LGBTQ community with Angela, but she knows the laws when it comes to LGBTQ. Angela, give everybody your phone number.
Speaker 2 (18:04)
Totally. So you can give me a call, 215-6452 415, and you can find me on my [email protected] or shoot me an email at [email protected]
Speaker 1 (18:16)
We had a couple of people write during the show, is there anything for grandparents so they can be assured that they’re going to be able to see their grandchildren?
Speaker 2 (18:28)
Yes, obviously parents visitation rights and parents rights are built into the Constitution, but there’s no such constitutional rate necessarily for grandparents. So that is a state by state thing. And Pennsylvania in particular does have a grandparent visitation law and has withstood the test of time, there have been constitutional challenges to it, and it has withstood all of those constitutional challenges. So grandparent visitation rights do exist, but the nuclear family that they’re trying to impact, the nuclear family must be broken. So as a sort of condition precedent, especially from an LGBTQ perspective, when there are homophobic grandparents who disagree with the family, two moms and two dads, let’s say then they have tried, but in that case, the fact that the grandparents disagrees with the makeup of the nuclear family doesn’t not entitle them to visitation. But if the nuclear family itself is broken, in other words, one of the parents is deceased, they’ve been separated for at least six months, or divorce, or the grandparent maybe raise the child for up to twelve months or more. I think it is six months or twelve months or more, but there are a lot of times where grandparents will have taken in a child because maybe someone went to jail or rehab or whatever.
Speaker 2 (20:05)
So if the grandparents have raised a child for more than three months, that puts them in standing for visitation rights. So yes, Pennsylvania is very strong on that.
Speaker 1 (20:16)
So what should a party do prior to separating, say, from their spouse or the parent of their children? What can they do?
Speaker 2 (20:26)
Well, again, from an LGBTQ perspective, get clear on whether or not you’ve done all of the second parent adoptions, confirmation adoptions. And from a parent perspective, that’s key. Also, again, getting divorced doesn’t happen in a vacuum. So from a parent perspective, having conversations with your ex prior to divorcing around a joint custody plan, around a parenting plan, just having dialogue in conversations around the future and the legalities, the legal documents that you’re going to have to put together, I think goes a long way. So you don’t just wake up one day and say, I’m going to get divorced, like there are thoughts that lead up into it. And so there’s so much that you can do to lay the groundwork, to make it amicable, to make it better, in which case it only goes to help the children more. As far as what you can do with your spouse in and of itself, like just a spouse. Again, dialogue to the extent that you can around making it amicable, getting a sense of what they feel like they want. Some people call it entitled to, but however you want to word it, whatever they want, whatever they feel they’re entitled to, and having honest conversations around that.
Speaker 2 (21:54)
And you can do it before or after you go to see the lawyer, right? It really depends on your relationship. And again, if there’s physical abuse in any way, then everything I’m saying is out the window. I never ever say to a client, try to talk it out or try to be amicable if your physical safety is in danger. So just that little caveat.
Speaker 1 (22:19)
We just got a text from a listener wanting to know, what kind of lawyer do I need for domestic violence? Is it criminal or family law?
Speaker 2 (22:33)
A little bit of both. So there are a lot of family law lawyers who do it, and then there are criminal defense lawyers that would most likely be the human there defending your ex that you have gotten the protection from abuse order against because it would be deemed a crime on their part. I have a criminal attorney that I trust implicitly, and I refer all of that to him because I don’t do that. And I think he’s great at it because he’s used to defending it. So he’s used to being there with the abuser defending him or her. And so it makes him amazing in arguments protecting the person who was abused.
Speaker 1 (23:22)
I’ve always got so many questions for you, Angela, and I think it looks like we might be talking family law again next week.
Speaker 2 (23:31)
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:33)
There’s just so much to learn. I didn’t mean to sound like an advertisement for Angela, but I truly have learned so much from her that I could be her assistant easily. But I’m just saying you don’t have to be part of the LGBTQ community to retain Angela. And if it has to do with family law, estate planning, business law, real estate law, employment law, I am telling you, and please, this is not a commercial, Randall. You can just listen to the show and tell you how much she really does care and how good she really is. But I would hire Angela in a minute. In a minute. And you know what? If it was something she doesn’t do, she knows the best attorney.
Speaker 2 (24:28)
I can find a home for you.
Speaker 1 (24:29)
She takes care of her clients, which I can’t say everybody, every lawyer does it. Angela, give everybody your phone number.
Speaker 2 (24:38)
Sure. It’s 215-6452 415 and the web address is giampololaw.com. And you can shoot me an email at [email protected]
Speaker 1 (24:50)
And next week I want to catch up with how everything’s going with these other Southern cities or Midwest cities. We’ll talk about that too. Angela, thank you so much. Angela will be back with us next Tuesday at 10:00 with more Ask the Expert. Thanks, Angela.
Speaker 2 (25:06)
You’re welcome. Thank you, Steve.
Speaker 1 (25:08)
Be sure to tune in every Tuesday at 10:00 a.m. When Angela Giampolo is the guest on Ask the Experts on 860 Wwdbam and online at WWDB. Am.com.